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-====== Internal details ======
+====== Internal Details ======
-**This page is just a skeleton for now**
+Basic Details
-L36 vs L67 vs L32 vs L26\\
+Since we know that the engine blocks between all of the series 2 and series 3 3800's are largely identical we can forget about that and focus on the internal components where a lot of the differences lie.
-- connecting rods\\
-[[https://www.3800pro.com/threads/l67-vs-l36-connecting-rod-differences.26632/|https://www.3800pro.com/threads/l67-vs-l36-connecting-rod-differences.26632/]]\\
-- pistons\\
-- flywheels
-journal sizes\\
+===== Valvetrain =====
-[[https://www.3800pro.com/threads/l36-and-l67-journal-size.48314/|https://www.3800pro.com/threads/l36-and-l67-journal-size.48314/]]
-Stroking/Boring options
+[[:engine_details:cams_and_timing|Camshafts and Cam Timing]]
+[[:engine_details:rockers|Rockers]]
+===== Connecting Rods =====
+[[https://www.3800pro.com/threads/l67-vs-l36-connecting-rod-differences.26632/|https://www.3800pro.com/threads/l67-vs-l36-connecting-rod-differences.26632/]]
+==== Series 2 vs Series 3 ====
+Series 3 engines all utilized powdered metal connecting rods, however the series 2 rods were cast metal. There is some debate as to which material is stronger though.
+The series 3 powdered metal rods dont have the weight variance that cast do, save time/material for balancing.\\
+powdered metal rods are brittle so they can machine the big end bore and bolt holes then crack the cap off (no more machining 2 separate components to mate then final machine big end)\\
+the fractured cap also means the cap is self aligning, this is a good thing but the material being brittle to accomplish this means the material may not be very strong and will shatter instead of bend at their limit.
+Some will reference the series 3 rods as being stronger because they are "forged" rods. However the forging process that was used to create these rods is not a conventional forging process.\\
+"forged" in their terminology is that the powdered metal is pressed/forged into shape then the pressing is heated to fuse the metal particles.\\
+It is not a forging in the conventional sense where a hot ingot is hot forged into the shape of a rod over multiple dies thereby giving the steel a grain structure that improves the metals strength…that is a true rod forging.
+==== L67 vs L36 ====
+The L67 and L32 have stronger connecting rods than the the L36 and L26 engines.
+L36/L26 rods are longer than L67/L32 rods as well\\
+{{:engine_details:192e053e7c254614eac39a8a53c24fbf.png}}
+Below is an image of the L67 and L36 connecting rods:
+{{:engine_details:94ccf577aaab050d0c05fbe7e1d533d5.png}}
+The L67 rod is on the left and the L36 rod is on the right.
+==== L36(s2 NA) vs L26(s3 NA) Connecting Rods ====
+Below is an image of the L36 and L26 connecting rods.
+{{https://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g272/destinedtofail13/Firebird/IMAG0798.jpg?nolink&|imag0798.jpg}}
+The L26 rod is powdered metal, however it is slightly smaller than the L36 connecting rod.
+Here is a side profile of the two:
+{{https://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g272/destinedtofail13/Firebird/IMAG0803.jpg?nolink&|imag0803.jpg}}
+The L26 rod is on the right, the L36 is on the left.
+====   ====
+===== Pistons =====
+L67 and L32 pistons (supercharged) are longer than L36/L26(Naturally-aspirated) pistons.
+The supercharged pistons have a thicker crown and a a deeper dish. The ring lands are also moved down by 0.1" compared to the naturally aspirated engines.
+Some L67 and L32 pistons received piston skirt coatings starting in 2003. This coating though seems to wear off by ~75,000 miles
+===== Resources: =====
+[[http://www.grandprixforums.com/3-8l-v6-supercharged-l67-l32-/83989-l67-vs-l32-l26-rods-pistons.html|http://www.grandprixforums.com/3-8l-v6-supercharged-l67-l32-/83989-l67-vs-l32-l26-rods-pistons.html]]