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| If you need transmission controls for an automatic you will need to use either the Terminator X Max or the Dominator. Otherwise you can run any ECU you want | If you need transmission controls for an automatic you will need to use either the Terminator X Max or the Dominator. Otherwise you can run any ECU you want | ||
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| + | A full breakdown of all of the capabilities is listed at the bottom of this page.\\ | ||
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| + | The Terminator X and Terminator X Max are the entry level Holley systems. The HP EFI and Dominator are the more high end systems that have even more capabilities. Most people are going to find the Terminator X is going to do everything they want it to for a lot of use cases. If you have a drag car with a lot of sensors and need tons of advanced tables or traction control though you will likely want to step up to the Dominator system. | ||
| | |Terminator X|Terminator X Max|HP EFI|Dominator| | | |Terminator X|Terminator X Max|HP EFI|Dominator| | ||
| - | |cost|$|$$|$$|$$$| | + | |cost|$1,249.95|$1,799.95|$2,649.95|$3,149.95| |
| |waterproof|no|no|yes|yes| | |waterproof|no|no|yes|yes| | ||
| |trans control|no|yes|no|yes| | |trans control|no|yes|no|yes| | ||
| + | |Drive By Wire support|no|yes|no|yes| | ||
| |internal logging|no|no|yes|yes| | |internal logging|no|no|yes|yes| | ||
| |custom inputs|4|4|4|40| | |custom inputs|4|4|4|40| | ||
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| |peak and hold injector support|no|no|yes|yes| | |peak and hold injector support|no|no|yes|yes| | ||
| |NTK wideband support (needed for Methanol)|no|no|yes|yes| | |NTK wideband support (needed for Methanol)|no|no|yes|yes| | ||
| + | |# of 1D custom advanced tables|5|5|16|16| | ||
| + | |# of 2D custom advanced tables|5|5|16|16| | ||
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| + | ===== Typical Build Cost For a Turbo 3800 ===== | ||
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| + | Generally most turbo stickshift 3800's or turbo 3800's with an old school 350/ | ||
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| + | You could swap out the MAP sensor for an ACDelco 12643955 for about $30, skip the flex fuel sensor, buy some junkyard coils, and you'd probably be able to cut the price down by about $200 for a cheaper alternative. You could also skip the USB cable and just read and write tunes from the touch screen, but that will probably get a little frustrating in the long term. | ||
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| ===== Installing the Harness ===== | ===== Installing the Harness ===== | ||
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| + | ==== Important Note: Vehicle Speed Sensor ==== | ||
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| + | The Holley Terminator X and HP EFI do not have a way that I've seen of accepting a speed sensor signal. To workaround this and still send a speed signal to your speedometer without upgrading to a Terminator X Max or Dominator there are two options most people have done:\\ | ||
| + | You could keep your stock ECU wired into power, ground, ignition voltage, and the speed sensor and use the stock PCM just to convert the VSS sensor signal into a signal for your speedometer. Extend those wires and hide the PCM anywhere you want to.\\ | ||
| + | You could also use a [[https:// | ||
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| I created a base tune as a starting point for a turbo 3800. You should go through it and make sure your sensors and injector are all correct though.\\ | I created a base tune as a starting point for a turbo 3800. You should go through it and make sure your sensors and injector are all correct though.\\ | ||
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| This forum thread contains a lot of pretty good information about how to make the Holley HP EFI and Dominator run on a 3800:\\ | This forum thread contains a lot of pretty good information about how to make the Holley HP EFI and Dominator run on a 3800:\\ | ||
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| - | ===== | + | ===== ECU Options Breakdown |
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| + | Pulled from the bottom of this page: [[https:// | ||
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| + | ^**HARDWARE** ^**HP** ^**TERMINATOR X** ^**DOMINATOR** ^**TERMINATOR X MAX** ^**SNIPER TBI** | | ||
| + | |Connectors|2|2|6|4|-| | ||
| + | |Injector Drivers|8|8|12|8|8| | ||
| + | |Low Impedance Injector Drivers|YES|NO|YES|NO|NO| | ||
| + | |Communication via USB Port|YES|NO|YES|NO|NO| | ||
| + | |Communication via CAN adapter|NO|YES|NO|YES|YES| | ||
| + | |Diagnostic LEDs|NO|YES|NO|YES|NO| | ||
| + | |Knock Sensors|2|2|2|2|-| | ||
| + | |Enclosure|ALUMINUM|COMPOSITE|ALUMINUM|COMPOSITE|-| | ||
| + | |Potted|YES|NO|YES|NO|YES| | ||
| + | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ | | ||
| + | ^**DATA LOGGING** ^**HP** ^**TERMINATOR X** ^**DOMINATOR** ^**TERMINATOR X MAX** ^**SNIPER TBI** | | ||
| + | | |INTERNAL & EXTERNAL|EXTERNAL ONLY|INTERNAL & EXTERNAL|EXTERNAL ONLY|EXTERNAL ONLY| | ||
| + | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ | | ||
| + | ^**MAP SENSOR** ^**HP** ^**TERMINATOR X** ^**DOMINATOR** ^**TERMINATOR X MAX** ^**SNIPER TBI** | | ||
| + | | |EXTERNAL ONLY|INTERNAL 1 BAR, OR EXTERNAL|EXTERNAL ONLY|INTERNAL 1 BAR, OR EXTERNAL|INTERNAL 2.5 BAR| | ||
| + | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ | | ||
| + | ^**WIDEBAND SENSORS** ^**HP** ^**TERMINATOR X** ^**DOMINATOR** ^**TERMINATOR X MAX** ^**SNIPER TBI** | | ||
| + | |Count|1|1|2|1|1| | ||
| + | |Bosch 4.2|YES|NO|YES|NO|NO| | ||
| + | |NTK|YES|NO|YES|NO|NO| | ||
| + | |Bosch 4.9|NO|YES|NO|YES|YES| | ||
| + | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ | | ||
| + | ^**TOTAL INPUTS (+12V, GND, 5V, FREQ)** ^**HP** ^**TERMINATOR X** ^**DOMINATOR** ^**TERMINATOR X MAX** ^**SNIPER TBI** | | ||
| + | |Count|4|4|50|4|VARIES| | ||
| + | |+12v|YES|YES|YES|YES|NO| | ||
| + | |Ground|YES|YES|YES|YES|2| | ||
| + | |+5v Sensor|YES|YES|YES|YES|3* - SS ONLY| | ||
| + | |Frequency|YES|YES|YES|YES|NO| | ||
| + | |Thermistor|YES|NO|YES|NO|NO| | ||
| + | |+20v|YES|NO|YES|NO|NO| | ||
| + | |Digital Speed|NO|NO|YES|NO|NO| | ||
| + | |Customizable Software Inputs|80|20|80|20|NO| | ||
| + | |A/C Shutdown|YES|YES|YES|YES|NO| | ||
| + | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ | | ||
| + | ^**TOTAL OUTPUTS (GND, PWM-)** ^**HP** ^**TERMINATOR X** ^**DOMINATOR** ^**TERMINATOR X MAX** ^**SNIPER TBI** | | ||
| + | |Count|4|4|36|4|VARIES| | ||
| + | |+12v|YES|NO|YES|NO|NO| | ||
| + | |PWM+|YES|NO|YES|NO|NO| | ||
| + | |Ground|YES|YES|YES|YES|YES| | ||
| + | |PWM-|YES|YES|YES|YES|YES| | ||
| + | |Customizable Software Outputs|62|20|62|20|NO| | ||
| + | |Dual Fans|YES|YES|YES|YES|YES| | ||
| + | |Secondary Fuel Pump|YES|YES|YES|YES|YES| | ||
| + | |IAC Kick|YES|YES|YES|YES|YES| | ||
| + | |Non-Electronic Trans TCC Control|YES|YES|YES|YES|NO| | ||
| + | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ | | ||
| + | ^**LOAD SENSING** ^**HP** ^**TERMINATOR X** ^**DOMINATOR** ^**TERMINATOR X MAX** ^**SNIPER TBI** | | ||
| + | |VE|YES|YES|YES|YES|YES| | ||
| + | |Speed Density|YES|YES|YES|YES|YES| | ||
| + | |Alpha-N|YES|YES|YES|YES|NO| | ||
| + | |Combo|YES|YES|YES|YES|NO| | ||
| + | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ | | ||
| + | ^**BOOST CONTROL** ^**HP** ^**TERMINATOR X** ^**DOMINATOR** ^**TERMINATOR X MAX** ^**SNIPER TBI** | | ||
| + | |MAP and Dome Control|YES|NO|YES|NO|NO| | ||
| + | |Dome Control|YES|YES|YES|YES|YES| | ||
| + | |Boost vs Time|YES|YES|YES|YES|YES| | ||
| + | |Boost vs RPM|YES|YES|YES|YES|YES| | ||
| + | |Boost vs Speed|YES|YES|YES|YES|NO| | ||
| + | |Boost vs Gear|YES|YES|YES|YES|NO| | ||
| + | |Boost Builder|YES|NO|YES|NO|NO| | ||
| + | |Boost Safeties|YES|YES|YES|YES|YES| | ||
| + | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ | | ||
| + | ^**NITROUS STAGES** ^**HP** ^**TERMINATOR X** ^**DOMINATOR** ^**TERMINATOR X MAX** ^**SNIPER TBI** | | ||
| + | |Wet Non-Progressive|8|1|8|1|1| | ||
| + | |Wet Progressive|8|1|8|1|1| | ||
| + | |Dry Non Progressive|8|1|8|1|1| | ||
| + | |Dry Progressive|8|1|8|1|1| | ||
| + | |GPOs|8|1|8|1|NO| | ||
| + | |Rich/Lean Safeties|YES|YES|YES|YES|YES| | ||
| + | |Closed Loop to New Target|YES|YES|YES|YES|YES| | ||
| + | |Advanced Input Strategies|YES|NO|YES|NO|NO| | ||
| + | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ | | ||
| + | ^**ADVANCED TABLES** ^**HP** ^**TERMINATOR X** ^**DOMINATOR** ^**TERMINATOR X MAX** ^**SNIPER TBI** | | ||
| + | |1D|8|4|8|4|4| | ||
| + | |1D Per Gear|8|1|8|1|NO| | ||
| + | |2D|8|4|8|4|2| | ||
| + | |2D Per Gear|8|1|8|1|NO| | ||
| + | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ | | ||
| + | ^**TRACTION CONTROL** ^**HP** ^**TERMINATOR X** ^**DOMINATOR** ^**TERMINATOR X MAX** ^**SNIPER TBI** | | ||
| + | | |YES|NO|YES|NO|NO| | ||
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| + | ^**WATER/ | ||
| + | | |YES|NO|YES|NO|NO| | ||
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| + | ^**STAGING ASSIST** ^**HP** ^**TERMINATOR X** ^**DOMINATOR** ^**TERMINATOR X MAX** ^**SNIPER TBI** | | ||
| + | | |YES|YES|YES|YES|NO| | ||
| + | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ | | ||
| + | ^**DRIVE BY WIRE** ^**HP** ^**TERMINATOR X** ^**DOMINATOR** ^**TERMINATOR X MAX** ^**SNIPER TBI** | | ||
| + | |Single Throttle Body|NO|NO|YES|YES|NO| | ||
| + | |Dual Throttle Body|NO|NO|YES|NO|NO| | ||
| + | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ | | ||
| + | ^**TRANSMISSION CONTROL** ^**HP** ^**TERMINATOR X** ^**DOMINATOR** ^**TERMINATOR X MAX** ^**SNIPER TBI** | | ||
| + | |GM 4L60/ | ||
| + | |Ford AODE/ | ||
| + | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ | | ||
| + | ^**ACCESSORIES** ^**HP** ^**TERMINATOR X** ^**DOMINATOR** ^**TERMINATOR X MAX** ^**SNIPER TBI** | | ||
| + | |7" Digital Dash|YES|YES|YES|YES|YES| | ||
| + | |Pro-Dash|YES|YES|YES|YES|YES| | ||
| + | |CAN Modules (VVT, etc)|YES|YES|YES|YES|NO| | ||
| + | |Analog Gauges|YES|YES|YES|YES|YES| | ||
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