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tuning_resources:aftermarket_ecu:holley_efi [2022/07/26 19:06] – bentuning_resources:aftermarket_ecu:holley_efi [2022/10/04 22:41] (current) – [Installing the Harness] ben
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 A full breakdown of all of the capabilities is listed at the bottom of this page.\\ A full breakdown of all of the capabilities is listed at the bottom of this page.\\
 [[https://3800wiki.com/tuning_resources/aftermarket_ecu/holley_efi#ecu_options_breakdown|https://3800wiki.com/tuning_resources/aftermarket_ecu/holley_efi#ecu_options_breakdown]] [[https://3800wiki.com/tuning_resources/aftermarket_ecu/holley_efi#ecu_options_breakdown|https://3800wiki.com/tuning_resources/aftermarket_ecu/holley_efi#ecu_options_breakdown]]
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 +The Terminator X and Terminator X Max are the entry level Holley systems. The HP EFI and Dominator are the more high end systems that have even more capabilities. Most people are going to find the Terminator X is going to do everything they want it to for a lot of use cases. If you have a drag car with a lot of sensors and need tons of advanced tables or traction control though you will likely want to step up to the Dominator system.
  
 | |Terminator X|Terminator X Max|HP EFI|Dominator| | |Terminator X|Terminator X Max|HP EFI|Dominator|
-|cost|$|$$|$$|$$$|+|cost|$1,249.95|$1,799.95|$2,649.95|$3,149.95|
 |waterproof|no|no|yes|yes| |waterproof|no|no|yes|yes|
 |trans control|no|yes|no|yes| |trans control|no|yes|no|yes|
 +|Drive By Wire support|no|yes|no|yes|
 |internal logging|no|no|yes|yes| |internal logging|no|no|yes|yes|
 |custom inputs|4|4|4|40| |custom inputs|4|4|4|40|
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 |peak and hold injector support|no|no|yes|yes| |peak and hold injector support|no|no|yes|yes|
 |NTK wideband support (needed for Methanol)|no|no|yes|yes| |NTK wideband support (needed for Methanol)|no|no|yes|yes|
 +|# of 1D custom advanced tables|5|5|16|16|
 +|# of 2D custom advanced tables|5|5|16|16|
  
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 +
 +===== Typical Build Cost For a Turbo 3800 =====
 +
 +Generally most turbo stickshift 3800's or turbo 3800's with an old school 350/400/powerglide transmission can step to a Holley for ~$1,600 in today's prices by going with a Terminator X system and modifying the LS1/LS6 harness to use the 3800's crank/cam sensor along with a few other modifications to make it work.
 +
 +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Drivetrain</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>manual trans, cable throttle</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>electronic trans, cable throttle</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>electronic trans, drive by wire</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>full on race car needing tons of inputs and outputs</font>   | |
 +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Which ECU</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Terminator X</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Terminator X Max</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Terminator X Max</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Dominator</font>   | |
 +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>ECU/Harness part #</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>550-903</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>550-934</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>550-926</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>550-650</font>   | |
 +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Holley system</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 1,249.95</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 1,799.95</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 1,799.95</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 3,149.95</font>   | |
 +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Holley 3 bar MAP</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 111.95</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 111.95</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 111.95</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 111.95</font>   |[[https://www.amazon.com/Holley-554-107-MAP-Sensor/dp/B004BA7L0W|https://www.amazon.com/Holley-554-107-MAP-Sensor/dp/B004BA7L0W]]  |
 +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Fuel pressure sensor</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 41.98</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 41.98</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 41.98</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 41.98</font>   |[[https://www.amazon.com/Pressure-Transducer-Sender-Sensor-Stainless/dp/B00NIK9E10|https://www.amazon.com/Pressure-Transducer-Sender-Sensor-Stainless/dp/B00NIK9E10]]  |
 +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>flex fuel sensor (not needed)</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 57.03</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 57.03</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 57.03</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 57.03</font>   |[[https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073ZQ1G2P|https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073ZQ1G2P]]  |
 +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>MAC valve for boost control</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 23.51</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 23.51</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 23.51</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 23.51</font>   |[[https://www.amazon.com/Valve-Control-Solenoid-Controller-35A-AAA-DDBA-1BA/dp/B07SSSBBZ2</font|https://www.amazon.com/Valve-Control-Solenoid-Controller-35A-AAA-DDBA-1BA/dp/B07SSSBBZ2</font]]>  |
 +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>USB cable for Holley</font>   |$ 65.67  | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 65.67</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 65.67</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ -</font>   |[[https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/fuel_injection/terminator_x/terminator_x_service_parts/parts/558-443|https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/fuel_injection/terminator_x/terminator_x_service_parts/parts/558-443]]  |
 +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>ls coil pack</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 100.00</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 100.00</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 100.00</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 100.00</font>   |[[https://www.ebay.com/itm/325052552558?epid=1264133034&hash=item4baea4556e:g:MtcAAOSw3xViDFNF|https://www.ebay.com/itm/325052552558?epid=1264133034&hash=item4baea4556e:g:MtcAAOSw3xViDFNF]]  |
 +| | | | | | |
 +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Typical Cost</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 1,650.09</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 2,200.09</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 2,200.09</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>$ 3,484.42</font>   | |
 +
 +You could swap out the MAP sensor for an ACDelco 12643955 for about $30, skip the flex fuel sensor, buy some junkyard coils, and you'd probably be able to cut the price down by about $200 for a cheaper alternative. You could also skip the USB cable and just read and write tunes from the touch screen, but that will probably get a little frustrating in the long term.
 +
 +----
 +
  
 ===== Installing the Harness ===== ===== Installing the Harness =====
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 | <font 18px/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Harness</font>   | <font 18px/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>lengthening</font>   | <font 18px/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>what harness</font>   | <font 18px/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>what sensor to use</font>   | | <font 18px/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Harness</font>   | <font 18px/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>lengthening</font>   | <font 18px/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>what harness</font>   | <font 18px/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>what sensor to use</font>   |
-| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#f1c40f>Crank Sensor</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#f1c40f>Needs to be lengthened</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#f1c40f>replace with stock 3800 connector</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>stock sensor, **3x signal only**</font>   | +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#f1c40f>Crank Sensor</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#f1c40f>Needs to be lengthened</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#f1c40f>replace with stock 3800 connector</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>stock sensor, **3x signal only**</font>   | 
-| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#f1c40f>Cam Sensor</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#f1c40f>Needs to be lengthened</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>same as LS1 or stock 3800</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>stock 3800 sensor</font>   | +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#f1c40f>Cam Sensor</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#f1c40f>Needs to be lengthened</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>same as LS1 or stock 3800</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>stock 3800 sensor</font>   | 
-| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#f1c40f>oil pressure sensor</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#f1c40f>Needs to be lengthened</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>same as LS1 or stock 3800</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>3 pin sensor: 2000+ H-body sensor (12677837)</font>   | +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#f1c40f>oil pressure sensor</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#f1c40f>Needs to be lengthened</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>same as LS1 or stock 3800</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>3 pin sensor: 2000+ H-body sensor (12677837)</font>   | 
-| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#2ecc71>coolant temp sensor</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>no modification needed</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>same as LS1 or stock 3800</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>2 pin sensor</font>   | +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#2ecc71>coolant temp sensor</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>no modification needed</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>same as LS1 or stock 3800</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>2 pin sensor</font>   | 
-| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#f1c40f>IAC</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#f1c40f>Needs to be lengthened</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>same as LS1 or stock 3800</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>stock 3800</font>   | +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#f1c40f>IAC</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#f1c40f>Needs to be lengthened</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>same as LS1 or stock 3800</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>stock 3800</font>   | 
-| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#2ecc71>IAT</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>no modification needed</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>same as LS1 or stock 3800</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>stock 3800</font>   | +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#2ecc71>IAT</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>no modification needed</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>same as LS1 or stock 3800</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>stock 3800</font>   | 
-| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#f1c40f>TPS</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#f1c40f>Needs to be lengthened</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#f1c40f>replace with stock 3800 connector</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>stock 3800</font>   | +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#f1c40f>TPS</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#f1c40f>Needs to be lengthened</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#f1c40f>replace with stock 3800 connector</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>stock 3800</font>   | 
-| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#2ecc71>fuel injectors</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>no modification needed</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>same as LS1 or stock 3800</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>any EV1 or EV6 depending on what injector harness you bought</font>   | +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#2ecc71>fuel injectors</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>no modification needed</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>same as LS1 or stock 3800</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>any EV1 or EV6 depending on what injector harness you bought</font>   | 
-| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#2ecc71>coils</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>no modification needed</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>LS1/truck coils</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>need to replace with LS style coils</font>   | +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#2ecc71>coils</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>no modification needed</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>LS1/truck coils</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>need to replace with LS style coils</font>   | 
-| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#f1c40f>knock sensors</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#f1c40f>Needs to be lengthened</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#f1c40f>replace with stock 3800 connector</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>stock 3800</font>   | +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#f1c40f>knock sensors</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#f1c40f>Needs to be lengthened</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#f1c40f>replace with stock 3800 connector</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>stock 3800</font>   | 
-| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#2ecc71>MAP sensor</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>no modification needed</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>same as LS1 or stock 3800</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>stock 3800 or 2 bar MAP. Otherwise replace connector</font>   | +| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#2ecc71>MAP sensor</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>no modification needed</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>same as LS1 or stock 3800</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>stock 3800 or 2 bar MAP. Otherwise replace connector</font>   | 
-| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;#2ecc71>Oxygen sensor</font>    | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>no modification needed</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Holley harness</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Holley wideband (included with kit)</font>   |+| <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#000000;;#2ecc71>Oxygen sensor</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>no modification needed</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Holley harness</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Holley wideband (included with kit)</font>   |
 | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#ffffff;;#000000>low oil switch</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#ffffff;;#000000>low oil switch</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   |
 | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#ffffff;;#000000>VSS</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#ffffff;;#000000>VSS</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   |
 | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#ffffff;;#000000>A/C pressure</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#ffffff;;#000000>A/C pressure</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   |
 | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#ffffff;;#000000>A/C clutch</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;#ffffff;;#000000>A/C clutch</font>     | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   | <font 11pt/Calibri,sans-serif;;inherit;;inherit>Not used</font>   |
 +
 +==== Important Note: Vehicle Speed Sensor ====
 +
 +The Holley Terminator X and HP EFI do not have a way that I've seen of accepting a speed sensor signal. To workaround this and still send a speed signal to your speedometer without upgrading to a Terminator X Max or Dominator there are two options most people have done:\\
 +You could keep your stock ECU wired into power, ground, ignition voltage, and the speed sensor and use the stock PCM just to convert the VSS sensor signal into a signal for your speedometer. Extend those wires and hide the PCM anywhere you want to.\\
 +You could also use a [[https://sirhclabs.com/product/vr-to-hall-sensor-converter/|VR to Hall sensor converter]] box according to some posts on the internet.
 +
  
 ==== Sensors ==== ==== Sensors ====
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